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Hello everyone!

I'm from the Long Beach area of Southern Komiefornia and just got the FZ-10 today. The previous bike I just came off of was an 07 R1 which started killing my shoulders, back and neck.

The FZ-10 thus far has been a very nice and smooth ride with some big differences in its performance nature that what I was used to on the older gen R1. Ignoring obvious things like riding position;

The FZ-10 (and I'd assume the newest gen R1 as well,) doesn't have as much hunting or loping in its idle as the pre CP4 R1s have. Nearly every 08 and under R1 I've heard, including my own, has a very distinct idle surging idle with a very distinct hunting of the idle by a few hundred RPM. The FZ-10 is very smooth with barely any fluctuations in idle making very low RPM clutch slipping maneuvers much easier to do than on the R1.

Throttle response on the FZ-10 is a much better improvement over the 07 R1 as well. While it's often complained about how the throttle is very snatchy on the FZ-10 and R1 to some extent, it pales in comparison to the first gen YCC-T R1 and R6. With stock maps, my 07 R1 would jump fairly badly in the transition from off to on making clutch control very important in low rpm applications. The old R1 was even harder to control at very low speeds beyond just the basic hardships of a sport bike at low speeds due to the very snatchy throttle stock maps. The FZ-10 in comparison has much smoother fueling with any surging felt being a very tiny bump in comparison to the 07 R1. Even in B-more, it still wasn't as bad in off idle response. Although I assume that the settings that were affecting throttle response on the 07 R1 pre-ECU flash may have a similar issue with the FZ-10 and new gen R1 as well.

The clutch lever on the FZ-10 took a bit to get used to compared to the old R1. It seemed as though the R1s engages fairly close to the grips while the FZ-10's engaged nearly all the way out on the lever. I can see how people with shorter fingers and smaller hands may not like the current setup of the clutch. What this does mean though is that those of us with the finger reach to do so can now easily two finger actuate the clutch. Even with shorties on the old R1, I could never do 2 finger clutch work due to the lever being required to be most of the way in and the shorty levers not short enough to not also pinch and clip my other fingers. Even with the stock levers on the FZ-10, it's easily possible to 2 finger the clutch if you have the strength in those fingers. For an assist function clutch, I wasn't expecting such a strong clutch spring on the FZ-10. While a bit easier to pull and a lighter spring than the 07 R1, it didn't feel that much lighter. Not like the old vs newer gen ZX-10Rs and ZX-6rs between their assist and non-assist slipper clutches. Maybe it's because of the higher torque loads due to the redesigned engine?

While I wasn't expecting near the same performance as the 6pot brakes on the R1, the FZ-10s brakes took me by surprise at first. Probably because the brake pads are still bedding in, but the master cylinder feels very spongy and it seems as though I can pull nearly all the way to the grips on the brakes at times to get the bike to slow down and stop. When I noticed something similar on the 07 GSXR 750 I used to have, it pretty came down to a badly setup piston ratio in the master cylinder which an RCS19 might also fix on this bike.

Those are just a few things that came to mind after riding an 07 GSXR750 to an 07 R1 and now this bike. Hope no one minds a mini- comparative review along with the hello.
 

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First thing to do is install a better set of front and rear brake pads. I installed a set of EBC HH pads. HUGH difference. Initial bite is mostly the reason why the stock pads make the lever feel spongy. Trust me ,nothing but good feed back from every one here who did it.I had a 09 R1 new when they came out with the cross plane engine. I was hooked,lol. Welcome aboard.
 

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First thing to do is install a better set of front and rear brake pads. I installed a set of EBC HH pads. HUGH difference. Initial bite is mostly the reason why the stock pads make the lever feel spongy. Trust me ,nothing but good feed back from every one here who did it.I had a 09 R1 new when they came out with the cross plane engine. I was hooked,lol. Welcome aboard.
New pads will help with the initial bite of the brakes (or just waiting a bit to actually have the current pads bed in since it IS a new bike and all,) but it would still be a spongy feeling lever. Yamaha went with a different piston ratio in the MC compared to the R1 to give better modulation and controllability but I just think Yamaha may have gone just a bit too far. We don't need 30 degrees of modulation in the lever when 15-20 would have been just fine. I do see that they didn't want the brakes like the R1 where the lever barely moves and you're at full braking power but I just kinda wished they didn't go fully the other way either. Probably the big thing is to just get used to the feel of this MC until I get around to installing a Brembo RCS 19 with steel braided lines.
 

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My next upgrade will be steel braided brake lines. I usually do that as one of my first additions, for the same reasons as you stated, mushy lever feel is unacceptable. I had an '06 R1 standard and an '06 R1 LE. Very different bikes, great for the track, I had both on track numerous times, but the FZ10 is more fun on the street, I think. The HH pads made a difference, but not enough. Welcome to the forum!
 

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Thanks for the welcome Nutti. Well after racking up some miles on the bike, the pads bedded in and the front brakes feel much better than they had brand new. I went to aftermarket CRG levers and the actuation and feel is much improved over the stock brake lever. While there still is a bit more initial movement to bite than the R1, the strength ramps up fairly quickly the that extra lever travel after initial bite allows for a lot better control and finer brake inputs and modulation. Swapping to an RCS19 with steel braided lines and upgraded pads would probably be overkill and give a very strong initial bite with very little modulation and a near wooden brake lever. Having the pads bed in and getting the new levers really made the brake and clutch fine to use and allows me to focus more on the other mods that I wanted to do. Got the Yoshimura engine case covers, front and rear axle sliders along with woodcraft frame sliders. The other day I threw on the Akrapovic muffler to change up the sound a little bit and the bike feels just about perfect for me. I do want to get a better horn in the future with the Denali mini sound bomb looking like a very good fit. I may get a windscreen in the future, but don't really mind getting blown around when picking up the pace. So far I'm really liking this bike and that I didn't fold and get the R1S instead. When I went to pick up the FZ-10, the FZ-10 and R1S were both discounted to $10k sticker. I feel the FZ-10 was the better choice.
 
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